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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I might as well as 9mm or 45acp, but i have to ask anyway.

I have a 16" AR-15 carbine, but I want one like a M16A2, as that was my service rifle. I dont' mind building one (all internals), putting one together (bolt, upper, and lower), or just buying one. Here are the things that I do mind:

1) it must end up with an outward appearance like the M16A2. Our A2s didn't have select fire, so that doesn't matter. So, it must be a 20" barrel, full handguards, carrying handle, forward assist, dust cover, etc...

2) i would like for it to be as accurate as possible. I know that the rifle will out shoot me, and that with extra $$$ it can get more accurate, but I don't have unlimited funds either.

3) I would like to get it done for $1,000 or less. Feel free to tell me if this is unrealistic, especially in light of #2. I have seen Bushmasters and Stag Arms for under $1,000.


I might want to upgrade the trigger, as stock AR triggers seem to be pretty bad, but other than that I don't know what to upgrade, as again I want the outside to be stock.

*** one more thing - I served in the USAF from 2001 until 2009 and I can't remember if the rifle had the round or triangular handguards, if anyone knows please let me know ***

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Do I really need a free floated barrel?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Given the budget, get the Rock River Arms 2 stage national match trigger.

Also, while a free floated barrel is going to yield better accuracy it will force you to have a free float forearm which means the gun will never look like an M16A2. That said, buy a 20" upper with a stainless national match barrel and you'll get as good as you can get and still have it look like the gun you desire.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

A free float barrel results in a different external look?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Should I change my budget?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

TylerHooker wrote:
A free float barrel results in a different external look?
Absolutely.

Here is an M16A2 configuration:
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It has a forearm that is held in place with tension. In fact its very difficult to remove the handguard without a special tool even if 2 people are working together because there is so much tension on the barrel. The A2 configuration also has the carry handle.

Here is a typical free float forearm configuration on one of my 20" rifles. This has an A3 upper, which is characterized by the flat top rail.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

TylerHooker wrote:
Should I change my budget?


I don't have a clue at this point what you want. I typically spend $1200 to $1600 or more on just my high grade uppers, but I can just as easily spend about $500 for a simple carbine upper.

You need to clearly figure out what you want, that will determine your budget.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:01 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I just want something fun to shoot that looks like my service rifle.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:05 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I think the "free float" that you are referring to means the hand guard is free floating. (no contact between the far end of the guard and the barrel/gas block). The handguard is mounted at the reciever end only. This yields a more accurate rifle due to barrel harmonics being more consistant from shot to shot. The M16 A2 I remember had a round handguard which was held in place with the retaining ring and the lip at the far end near the gas block. I think you could build a similar looking rifle for under a grand, but not a high end sub MOA tack driver.
The trigger upgrade and a match grade barrel of the same (external) profile would probably be the best ways to get the original look and the most accurate rifle possible (and hopefully keep it under budget).
Lastly, if you know what bullet weight you plan to shoot, this will affect the twist rate you select. The 1:7, 1:8 & 1:9 twist rates all shoot different weight bullets with different results. My research has shown that the 1:8 twist gives the most lattitude in bullet weight.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:18 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I have one just like what you are looking for, got it from a guy here. He was swlling it for $600 a year ago.
Great shooting. I believe it is a Stag Model 6.
Have not shot it in a while.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:54 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Ccspinner wrote:
I have one just like what you are looking for, got it from a guy here. He was swlling it for $600 a year ago.
Great shooting. I believe it is a Stag Model 6.
Have not shot it in a while.


You should probably sell it to me then huh?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

tyler,
that was subtle

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Just give it to me then!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:02 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I will let you shoot it if we are at the range but I don't sell any guns.
I have everyone I have ever got.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:12 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Get the colt parts kits that are everywhere, chances are yours is probably one of them lol
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