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Deadscott
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The Wisconsin State Assembly has passed SB 93 to clear the way for concealed carry in Wisconsin. The bill now moves to the Governor's desk for his signature. Governor Walker has stated that he would sign it in it's current form.

Congratulations to the state of Wisconsin! Only the state of Illinois denies it's Citizens the right to self defense.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

H*ll YES!!!! Come ON Illinois!!!! Sounds like there should be reciprocity as well!!!!

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/124289954.html
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Another link with the actual language of the bill...

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/related/proposals/sb93
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

woot

about friggin time Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Can you provide the verbiage for the reciprocity? I didn't see it in the bill and another website I was viewing today was showing that you have to be a resident of WI. Is this true?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Highlighted in bold...Section 6(d) and 12(b)


175.60 License to carry a concealed weapon. (1) Definitions. In this
9section:
10 (ac) "Background check" means the searches the department conducts under
11sub. (9g) to determine a person's eligibility for a license to carry a concealed weapon.
12 (ag) "Carry" means to go armed with.
13 (b) "Department" means the department of justice.
14 (bm) "Handgun" means any weapon designed or redesigned, or made or
15remade, and intended to be fired while held in one hand and to use the energy of an
16explosive to expel a projectile through a smooth or rifled bore. "Handgun" does not
17include a machine gun, as defined in s. 941.27 (1), a short-barreled rifle, as defined
18in s. 941.28 (1) (b), or a short-barreled shotgun, as defined in s. 941.28 (1) (c).
19 (bv) "Law enforcement agency" does not include the department.
20 (c) "Law enforcement officer" has the meaning given in s. 165.85 (2) (c).
21 (d) "Licensee" means an individual holding a valid license to carry a concealed
22weapon issued under this section.
23 (e) "Motor vehicle" has the meaning given in s. 340.01 (35).
24 (f) "Out-of-state license" means a valid permit, license, approval, or other
25authorization issued by another state if all of the following apply:
11. The permit, license, approval, or other authorization is for the carrying of a
2concealed weapon.
3 2. The state is listed in the rule promulgated by the department under s. 165.25
4(12) and, if that state does not require a background search for the permit, license,
5approval, or authorization, the permit, license, approval, or authorization
6designates that the holder chose to submit to a background search.
7 (g) "Out-of-state licensee" means an individual who is 21 years of age or over,
8who is not a Wisconsin resident, and who has been issued an out-of-state license.
9 (h) "Photographic identification card" means one of the following:
10 1. An operator's license issued under ch. 343 or an identification card issued
11under s. 343.50.
12 2. A license or card issued by a state other than Wisconsin that is substantially
13equivalent to a license or card under subd. 1.
14 (i) "State identification card number" means the unique identifying driver
15number assigned to a person by the department of transportation under s. 343.17 (3)
16(a) 4. or, if the person has no driver number, the number assigned to the person on
17an identification card issued under s. 343.50.
18 (j) "Weapon" means a handgun, an electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c)
19(a), a knife other than a switchblade knife under s. 941.24, or a billy club.
20(2) Issuance and scope of license. (a) The department shall issue a license
21to carry a concealed weapon to any individual who is not disqualified under sub. (3)
22and who completes the application process specified in sub. (7). A license to carry a
23concealed weapon issued under this section shall meet the requirements specified in
24sub. (2m).
1(b) The department may not impose conditions, limitations, or requirements
2that are not expressly provided for in this section on the issuance, scope, effect, or
3content of a license.
4 (c) Unless expressly provided in this section, this section does not limit an
5individual's right to carry a firearm that is not concealed.
6 (d) For purposes of 18 USC 922 (q) (2) (B) (ii), an out-of-state licensee is
7licensed by this state.

8(2g) Carrying a concealed weapon; possession and display of license
9document or authorization. (a) A licensee or an out-of-state licensee may carry a
10concealed weapon anywhere in this state except as provided under subs. (15m) and
11(16) and ss. 943.13 (1m) (c) and 948.605 (2) (b) 1r.
12 (b) Unless the licensee or out-of-state licensee is carrying a concealed weapon
13in a manner described under s. 941.23 (2) (e), a licensee shall have with him or her
14his or her license document and photographic identification card and an out-of-state
15licensee shall have with him or her his or her out-of-state license and photographic
16identification card at all times during which he or she is carrying a concealed

17weapon.
18 (c) Unless the licensee or out-of-state licensee is carrying a concealed weapon
19in a manner described under s. 941.23 (2) (e), a licensee who is carrying a concealed
20weapon shall display his or her license document and photographic identification
21card and an out-of-state licensee who is carrying a concealed weapon shall display
22his or her out-of-state license and photographic identification card to a law
23enforcement officer upon the request of the law enforcement officer while the law
24enforcement officer is acting in an official capacity and with lawful authority.
1(2m) License document; content of license. (a) Subject to pars. (b), (bm), (c),
2and (d), the department shall design a single license document for licenses issued and
3renewed under this section. The department shall complete the design of the license
4document no later than the first day of the 2nd month beginning after the effective
5date of this paragraph .... [LRB inserts date].
6 (b) A license document for a license issued under this section shall contain all
7of the following on one side:
8 1. The full name, date of birth, and residence address of the licensee.
9 2. A physical description of the licensee, including sex, height, and eye color.
10 3. The date on which the license was issued.
11 4. The date on which the license expires.
12 5. The name of this state.
13 6. A unique identification number for each licensee.
14 (bm) The reverse side of a license document issued under this section shall
15contain the requirement under sub. (11) (b) that the licensee shall inform the
16department of any address change no later than 30 days after his or her address
17changes and the penalty for a violation of the requirement.
18 (c) The license document may not contain the licensee's social security number.
19 (d) 1. The contents of the license document shall be included in the document
20in substantially the same way that the contents of an operator's license document
21issued under s. 343.17 are included in that document.
22 2. The license document issued under this section shall be tamper proof in
23substantially the same way that the operator's license is tamper proof under s.
24343.17 (2).
1(e) The department of justice may contract with the department of
2transportation to produce and issue license documents under this section. Neither
3the department of transportation nor any employee of the department of
4transportation may store, maintain, or access the information provided by the
5department of justice for the production or issuance of license documents other than
6to the extent necessary to produce or issue the license documents.
7(3) Restrictions on issuing a license. The department shall issue a license
8under this section to an individual who submits an application under sub. (7) unless
9any of the following applies:
10 (a) The individual is less than 21 years of age.
11 (b) The individual is prohibited under federal law from possessing a firearm
12that has been transported in interstate or foreign commerce.
13 (c) The individual is prohibited from possessing a firearm under s. 941.29.
14 (d) The court has prohibited the individual from possessing a dangerous
15weapon under s. 969.02 (3) (c) or 969.03 (1) (c).
16 (e) The individual is on release under s. 969.01 and the individual may not
17possess a dangerous weapon as a condition of the release.
18 (f) The individual is not a Wisconsin resident.
19 (g) The individual has not provided proof of training as described under sub.
20(4) (a).
21(4) Training requirements. (a) The proof of training requirement under sub.
22(7) (e) may be met by any of the following:
23 1. A copy of a document, or an affidavit from an instructor or organization that
24conducted the course or program, that indicates the individual completed any of the
25following:
1a. The hunter education program established under s. 29.591 or a substantially
2similar program that is established by another state, country, or province and that
3is recognized by the department of natural resources.
4 b. A firearms safety or training course that is conducted by a national or state
5organization that certifies firearms instructors.
6 c. A firearms safety or training course that is available to the public and is
7offered by a law enforcement agency or, if the course is taught by an instructor who
8is certified by a national or state organization that certifies firearms instructors or
9by the department, by a technical college, a college or a university, a private or public
10institution or organization, or a firearms training school.
11 d. A firearms safety or training course that is offered to law enforcement
12officers or to owners and employees of licensed private detective and security
13agencies.
14 e. A firearms safety or training course that is conducted by a firearms
15instructor who is certified by a national or state organization that certifies firearms
16instructors or who is certified by the department.
17 2. Documentation that the individual participated in organized shooting
18competitions or completed military, law enforcement, or security training that gave
19the individual experience with firearms that is substantially equivalent to a course
20or program under subd. 1.
21 3. A current or expired license, or a photocopy of a current or expired license,
22that the individual holds or has held that indicates that the individual is licensed or
23has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or in another state or in a county
24or municipality of this state or of another state unless the license has been revoked
25for cause.
14. Documentation of completion of small arms training while serving in the
2U.S. armed forces, reserves, or national guard as demonstrated by an honorable
3discharge or general discharge under honorable conditions or a certificate of
4completion of basic training with a service record of successful completion of small
5arms training and certification.
6 (b) 1. The department shall certify instructors for the purposes of par. (a) 1. c.
7and e. and shall maintain a list of instructors that it certifies. To be certified by the
8department as an instructor, a person must meet all of the following criteria:
9 a. Be qualified under sub. (3) to carry a concealed weapon.
10 b. Be able to demonstrate the ability and knowledge required for providing
11firearms safety and training.
12 2. The department may not require firing live ammunition to meet the training
13requirements under par. (a).
14(5) Application and renewal forms. (a) The department shall design an
15application form for use by individuals who apply for a license under this section and
16a renewal form for use by individuals applying for renewal of a license under sub.
17(15). The department shall complete the design of the application form no later than
18the first day of the 2nd month beginning after the effective date of this paragraph ....
19[LRB inserts date], and shall complete the design of the renewal form no later than
20the first day of the 36th month beginning after the effective date of this paragraph
21.... [LRB inserts date]. The forms shall require the applicant to provide only his or
22her name, address, date of birth, state identification card number, race, sex, height,
23and eye color and shall include all of the following:
24 1. A statement that the applicant is ineligible for a license if sub. (3) (a), (b), (c),
25(d), (e), (f), or (g) applies to the applicant.
12. A statement explaining self-defense and defense of others under s. 939.48,
2with a place for the applicant to sign his or her name to indicate that he or she has
3read and understands the statement.
4 3. A statement, with a place for the applicant to sign his or her name, to indicate
5that the applicant has read and understands the requirements of this section.
6 4. A statement that an applicant may be prosecuted if he or she intentionally
7gives a false answer to any question on the application or intentionally submits a
8falsified document with the application.
9 5. A statement of the penalties for intentionally giving a false answer to any
10question on the application or intentionally submitting a falsified document with the
11application.
12 6. A statement of the places under sub. (16) where a licensee is prohibited from
13carrying a weapon, as well as an explanation of the provisions under sub. (15m) and
14ss. 943.13 (1m) (c) and 948.605 (2) (b) 1r. that could limit the places where the licensee
15may carry a weapon, with a place for the applicant to sign his or her name to indicate
16that he or she has read and understands the statement.
17 (b) The department shall make the forms described in this subsection available
18on the Internet and, upon request, by mail.
19(7) Submission of application. An individual may apply for a license under this
20section with the department by submitting, by mail or other means made available
21by the department, to the department all of the following:
22 (a) A completed application in the form prescribed under sub. (5) (a).
23 (b) A statement that states that the information that he or she is providing in
24the application submitted under par. (a) and any document submitted with the
25application is true and complete to the best of his or her knowledge.
1(c) A license fee in an amount, as determined by the department by rule, that
2is equal to the cost of issuing the license but does not exceed $37. The department
3shall determine the costs of issuing a license by using a 5-year planning period.
4 (d) A fee for a background check that is equal to the fee charged under s. 175.35
5(2i).
6 (e) Proof of training as described under sub. (4) (a).
7(9) Processing of application. (a) Upon receiving an application submitted
8under sub. (7), the department shall conduct a background check.
9 (b) Within 21 days after receiving a complete application under sub. (7), the
10department shall do one of the following:
11 1. Issue the license and promptly send the licensee his or her license document
12by 1st class mail.
13 2. Deny the application, but only if sub. (3) (a), (b), (c), (d), (e), (f), or (g) applies
14to the applicant. If the department denies the application, the department shall
15inform the applicant in writing, stating the reason and factual basis for the denial.
16(9g) Background checks. (a) The department shall conduct a background
17check regarding an applicant for a license using the following procedure:
18 1. The department shall create a confirmation number associated with the
19applicant.
20 2. The department shall conduct a criminal history record search and shall
21search its records and conduct a search in the national instant criminal background
22check system to determine whether the applicant is prohibited from possessing a
23firearm under federal law; whether the applicant is prohibited from possessing a
24firearm under s. 941.29; whether the applicant is prohibited from possessing a
25firearm under s. 51.20 (13) (cv) 1., 2007 stats.; whether the applicant has been
1ordered not to possess a firearm under s. 51.20 (13) (cv) 1., 51.45 (13) (i) 1., 54.10 (3)
2(f) 1., or 55.12 (10) (a); whether the applicant is subject to an injunction under s.
3813.12 or 813.122, or a tribal injunction, as defined in s. 813.12 (1) (e), issued by a
4court established by any federally recognized Wisconsin Indian tribe or band, except
5the Menominee Indian tribe of Wisconsin, that includes notice to the respondent that
6he or she is subject to the requirements and penalties under s. 941.29 and that has
7been filed with the circuit court under s. 806.247 (3); and whether the applicant is
8prohibited from possessing a firearm under s. 813.125 (4m); and to determine if the
9court has prohibited the applicant from possessing a dangerous weapon under s.
10969.02 (3) (c) or 969.03 (1) (c) and if the applicant is prohibited from possessing a
11dangerous weapon as a condition of release under s. 969.01.
12 3. As soon as practicable, the department shall do the following:
13 a. If the background check indicates sub. (3) (b), (c), (d), or (e) applies to the
14applicant, create a unique nonapproval number for the applicant.
15 b. If the completed background check does not indicate that sub. (3) (b), (c), (d),
16or (e) applies to the applicant, create a unique approval number for the applicant.
17 (b) The department shall maintain a record of all completed application forms
18and a record of all approval or nonapproval numbers regarding background checks
19under this subsection.
20(9r) Emergency license. (a) An individual who requires an immediate license
21may petition the court in the county in which he or she resides for such a license.
22Unless the court knows that the individual is ineligible for a license under sub. (3),
23a court may issue an emergency license to an individual if the court determines that
24immediate licensure is warranted to protect the individual from death or great bodily
25harm, as defined in s. 939.22 (14).
1(b) An emergency license issued under this subsection is valid for 30 days
2unless it is revoked under par. (bm) or it is void under par. (c).
3 (bm) If the court determines that a holder of an emergency license issued under
4par. (a) is ineligible under sub. (3) for a license, the court shall revoke the emergency
5license.
6 (c) If the holder of an emergency license issued under par. (a) applies for a
7license under sub. (7) and is determined to be ineligible under sub. (3) for a license,
8the emergency license is void.
9(11) Updated information. (a) 1. In this paragraph:
10 a. "Clerk" means the clerk of the circuit court or, if it has enacted a law or an
11ordinance in conformity with s. 346.63, the clerk of the court for a federally
12recognized American Indian tribe or band in this state, a city, a village, or a town.
13 b. "Court automated information systems" means the systems under s. 758.19
14(4).
15 2. The court automated information systems, or the clerk or register in probate,
16if the information is not contained in or cannot be transmitted by the court
17automated information systems, shall promptly notify the department of the name
18of any individual with respect to whom any of the following occurs and the specific
19reason for the notification:
20 a. The individual is found by a court to have committed a felony or any other
21crime that would disqualify the individual from having a license under this section.
22 b. The individual is found incompetent under s. 971.14.
23 c. The individual is found not guilty of any crime by reason of mental disease
24or mental defect under s. 971.17.
1d. The individual is involuntarily committed for treatment under s. 51.20 or
251.45.
3 e. The individual is found incompetent under ch. 54.
4 f. The individual becomes subject to an injunction described in s. 941.29 (1) (f)
5or is ordered not to possess a firearm under s. 813.125 (4m).
6 g. A court has prohibited the individual from possessing a dangerous weapon
7under s. 969.02 (3) (c) or 969.03 (1) (c).
8 h. A court has ordered the individual not to possess a firearm under s. 51.20
9(13) (cv) 1., 51.45 (13) (i) 1., 54.10 (3) (f) 1., or 55.12 (10) (a).
10 i. The individual is on release under s. 969.01 and the individual may not
11possess a dangerous weapon as a condition of the release.
12 3. Upon receiving a notice under subd. 2., the department shall immediately
13determine if the individual who is the subject of the notice is a licensee, using the list
14maintained under sub. (12) (a).
15 (b) 1. No later than 30 days after changing his or her address, a licensee shall
16inform the department of the new address. The department shall include the
17individual's new address in the list under sub. (12) (a).
18 2. Except as provided in subd. 3., for a first violation of subd. 1., the department
19must issue the licensee a warning.
20 3. If an individual is in violation of subd. 1. and his or her license has been
21suspended or revoked under sub. (14), the individual is subject to the penalty under
22sub. (17) (ac).
23 4. A licensee may not be charged with a violation of subd. 1. if the department
24learns of the violation when the licensee informs the department of the address
25change.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you for posting this! I know it's too soon to tell, but does this mean that since IL doesn't offer a CC license, that if you go into WI you will need another state's permit if you reside in IL, ie, Utah?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Also, for whatever reason, Auto knives (aka switchblades) are actually still illegal... Rolling Eyes How stupid...can't win them all i guess...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Beerfoot wrote:
Thank you for posting this! I know it's too soon to tell, but does this mean that since IL doesn't offer a CC license, that if you go into WI you will need another state's permit if you reside in IL, ie, Utah?


That's what it seems like, although I know I read somewhere in there that the license requires "training" I don't recall what training, Utah required, because I took FL and UT together...I know that FL requires rounds to be fired in the presence of the instructor, and UT does not...I'm not sure if firing will be a requirement or not...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

No Shooting requirement here in WI. Item in red below was struck from the final bill.

21(4) Training requirements. (a) The proof of training requirement under sub.
22(7) (e) may be met by any of the following:

23 1. A copy of a document, or an affidavit from an instructor or organization that
24conducted the course or program, that indicates the individual completed any of the
25following:
1a. The hunter education program established under s. 29.591 or a substantially
2similar program that is established by another state, country, or province and that
3is recognized by the department of natural resources.
4 b. A firearms safety or training course that is conducted by a national or state
5organization that certifies firearms instructors.
6 c. A firearms safety or training course that is available to the public and is
7offered by a law enforcement agency or, if the course is taught by an instructor who
8is certified by a national or state organization that certifies firearms instructors or
9by the department, by a technical college, a college or a university, a private or public
10institution or organization, or a firearms training school.
11 d. A firearms safety or training course that is offered to law enforcement
12officers or to owners and employees of licensed private detective and security
13agencies.
14 e. A firearms safety or training course that is conducted by a firearms
15instructor who is certified by a national or state organization that certifies firearms
16instructors or who is certified by the department.
17 2. Documentation that the individual participated in organized shooting
18competitions
or completed military, law enforcement, or security training that gave
19the individual experience with firearms that is substantially equivalent to a course
20or program under subd. 1.
21 3. A current or expired license, or a photocopy of a current or expired license,
22that the individual holds or has held that indicates that the individual is licensed or
23has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or in another state or in a county
24or municipality of this state or of another state unless the license has been revoked
25for cause.
14. Documentation of completion of small arms training while serving in the
2U.S. armed forces, reserves, or national guard as demonstrated by an honorable
3discharge or general discharge under honorable conditions or a certificate of
4completion of basic training with a service record of successful completion of small
5arms training and certification.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:16 am Reply with quoteBack to top

bsczar1 wrote:
No Shooting requirement here in Wis-----6 c. A firearms safety or training course that is available to the public and is
7offered by a law enforcement agency or,


It looks like the online Maryland Police Firearm Training certificate will suffice.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:30 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Since I grew up in WI, I took hunter's safety there, it sounds like this should be enough:

The hunter education program established under s. 29.591 or a substantially
2similar program that is established by another state, country, or province and that
3is recognized by the department of natural resources.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:03 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Beerfoot wrote:
Since I grew up in WI, I took hunter's safety there, it sounds like this should be enough:

The hunter education program established under s. 29.591 or a substantially
2similar program that is established by another state, country, or province and that
3is recognized by the department of natural resources.


Yep...sounds like it Beerfoot!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:04 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Is it me, or is it strange that EVERYBODY on this site isn't going crazy with happiness about this? I know I even had a hard time sleeping, I was so excited....
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:02 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Here's to hard work and persistance. Cool Cool Cool


And here's hoping IL legislators are understanding they should do the same.


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