HB-5745 Concealed Carry legislation from Rahm Emanuel

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:19 pm

Source: National Association for Gun Rights mass email

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The Chicagocrats have crafted a plan to shirk their responsibility to protect and restore your Second Amendment rights.

This plan is dedicated to legislating away your rights -- all in the name of doing the opposite.

You and I both know that Illinois is one of the nation’s last major holdouts -- the only remaining state that flat-out denies its residents the right to carry a firearm concealed for self-defense.

Rahm Emanuel and the anti-gunners in Springfield know they can’t hold back the floodgates for much longer. That is why they -- along with wayward Republicans -- have concocted a plan to pass the weakest and worst concealed carry bill in the nation!

Using the pro-gun sounding title “Concealed Carry”, they are prepared to pull the proverbial bait-and-switch over your right to self-defense by legislating some of the most anti-gun restrictions in the nation.

HB-5745 is the bill -- and it could come before the House as early as this week.

By allowing local sheriffs considerable authority on whether or not to approve license applications, the bill would subject residents to more than 102 different interpretations of the Second Amendment, all but assuring that gun owners will be treated in practice as poorly as they are in New York or California.

Here are some more reasons why this bill flat out stinks:

Mark my words -- this bill is nothing but a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and must be stopped.

While other states are successfully passing Constitutional Carry and doing away with mandatory permits altogether, this bill will simply entrench the worst infringements of our Second Amendment rights into law.

All this is being rushed through at the same time Emanuel is pushing his firearms tax, take, and register scheme.

In fact, Capitol insiders say that there’s a deal being cooked up to pass both this Concealed Carry abomination in exchange for passing Emanuel’s gun control scheme.

That’s the kind of underhanded backroom dealing we’ve come to expect from both the Obama Administration officials (Rahm Emanuel is one of Obama’s closest advisers) and from the institutional gun lobby and their minions.

But either way, passing the so-called “Concealed Carry” law is a horrible step in the wrong direction.

Bad laws do not go away easily.

Member **Founders Club** Joined: Mar 01, 2010 Posts: 326

This is probably an attempt for the politicians to say, look we got your CCW, what more should we do. It's just a ploy to get the gun owners off there backs.

Lieutenant Joined: Nov 12, 2009 Posts: 2429

baaaad bill

Private Joined: Dec 16, 2010 Posts: 185

I don't recall how the national reciprocity bill is worded. If someone has a non-res permit from another state, could that be used in your home state? Or the more straight forward: Will my Pennsylvania non-res permit allow me, an Illinois resident, to carry in Illinois?

Corporal Joined: Mar 16, 2010 Posts: 529

VannDaddy - I have heard conflicting stories from other websites. I have not personally read the bill (it's a "sleeping pill") but most seem to think that it does NOT supercede "states rights". Reciprocity would ONLY be granted in states that already HAVE OC/CC.

And 6010 is spot-on about this piece of "excrement", but what else would you expect from "Shicago Dam-o-craps".

Private Joined: Dec 16, 2010 Posts: 185

I'm not saying this is a good bill. Shall issue all the way! I was just wondering if this turd passes in Illinois AND National Reciprocity passes would my Non-Res Pennsylvania Permit allow me to carry here in my home state of Illinois?

Lieutenant Joined: Nov 12, 2009 Posts: 2429

VannDaddy wrote:

I'm not saying this is a good bill. Shall issue all the way! I was just wondering if this turd passes in Illinois AND National Reciprocity passes would my Non-Res Pennsylvania Permit allow me to carry here in my home state of Illinois?

I've noticed in most states if you are a resident a non-resident permit from another state is not valid in your home state

I know its bull but they want your money and they want to control you

Private Joined: Dec 16, 2010 Posts: 185

6010rocks wrote:

I've noticed in most states if you are a resident a non-resident permit from another state is not valid in your home state

I know its bull but they want your money and they want to control you

I definitely agree with the money and control aspect. I also know that people in Philadelphia were getting Florida permits which, are valid in Pennsylvania, because the sheriff in Philly was issuing permits at his own discretion. A lot of anti-gunners were complaining that these people were gaming the system. And a lot of 2A'ers were complaining that the sheriff wasn't issuing to eligible individuals.

Initiate Joined: Dec 15, 2010 Posts: 45

6010rocks wrote:

VannDaddy wrote:

I'm not saying this is a good bill. Shall issue all the way! I was just wondering if this turd passes in Illinois AND National Reciprocity passes would my Non-Res Pennsylvania Permit allow me to carry here in my home state of Illinois?

I've noticed in most states if you are a resident a non-resident permit from another state is not valid in your home state

I know its bull but they want your money and they want to control you

Most state actually recognize Non resident permits even if you are a resident of that state. Kansas I now won't recognize non resident permit if your a kansas resident. I live in missouri now and I have a Floria Non resident permit and it good in this state, But you don't even need a permit to carry a concealed weapon in your care if your 21 and not a felon. I know there are more state that won't recognize a non resident permit but they recognize a resident permit from that same state, IE, UTAH, Florida, Michigan, South Carolina. There might be more but this is just from the top of my head. Im personally glad I got out of that crap whole state, I can Concealed carry, Own Machine guns, suppressor, short barrel rifle, short barrel shot guns, and AOW's. The only thing i can't own is a Destructive device such as an M203. I hate Illinois, Im glad I moved, just feel bad from my friends, and family in that state. Its way to bad Chicago has way to much say in Illinois's gun laws.

Lieutenant Joined: Nov 12, 2009 Posts: 2429

Alac wrote:

6010rocks wrote:

VannDaddy wrote:

I'm not saying this is a good bill. Shall issue all the way! I was just wondering if this turd passes in Illinois AND National Reciprocity passes would my Non-Res Pennsylvania Permit allow me to carry here in my home state of Illinois?

I've noticed in most states if you are a resident a non-resident permit from another state is not valid in your home state

I know its bull but they want your money and they want to control you

Most state actually recognize Non resident permits even if you are a resident of that state. Kansas I now won't recognize non resident permit if your a kansas resident. I live in missouri now and I have a Floria Non resident permit and it good in this state, But you don't even need a permit to carry a concealed weapon in your care if your 21 and not a felon. I know there are more state that won't recognize a non resident permit but they recognize a resident permit from that same state, IE, UTAH, Florida, Michigan, South Carolina. There might be more but this is just from the top of my head. Im personally glad I got out of that crap whole state, I can Concealed carry, Own Machine guns, suppressor, short barrel rifle, short barrel shot guns, and AOW's. The only thing i can't own is a Destructive device such as an M203. I hate Illinois, Im glad I moved, just feel bad from my friends, and family in that state. Its way to bad Chicago has way to much say in Illinois's gun laws.

I learn something new every day

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:42 am

I just read this bill and it really doesn't look that bad to me. Phelps has been trying to institute something for us for years. This doesn't look that different than what I have seen in the past from him.

I didn't see anything regarding a 4 page application or anything regarding more than a background check. Maybe I'm blind, but I read the entire bill. I am not trying to sound mean, but we have nothing now, isn't something better than nothing?

Lieutenant Joined: Nov 12, 2009 Posts: 2429

CJ797 wrote:

I just read this bill and it really doesn't look that bad to me. Phelps has been trying to institute something for us for years. This doesn't look that different than what I have seen in the past from him.

I didn't see anything regarding a 4 page application or anything regarding more than a background check. Maybe I'm blind, but I read the entire bill. I am not trying to sound mean, but we have nothing now, isn't something better than nothing?

it is always harder to make make a law better than to write a good one to start off with.

Corporal Joined: Mar 16, 2010 Posts: 529

6010rocks wrote:

It is always harder to make make a law better than to write a good one to start off with.

Amen to that. Do it right the first time.