DOOR-TO-DOOR GUN CONFISCATION IN ROCKFORD!!!

Lieutenant Joined: Nov 12, 2009 Posts: 2429

snickers wrote:

No disrespect, but man, this is another reason i'm glad I live in Wisconsin. Time for people to move or run for office. What a bunch of BULL!!!

your wrong, Illinois does not deserve any respect. and i am confined to ilinois at the present time which really sucks

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:43 am

This is beginning to look like the camels nose under the tent. A trial balloon of sorts. Other cities, county's across the nation may be watching and very well could begin spelling the end of our ability to ensure freedom in America against governments both foreign and domestic.

Corporal Joined: May 24, 2010 Posts: 320

Christ, at the risk of making myself a target, I've got to ask. My FOID expired a week ago. I sent in my renewal over 5 weeks ago and haven't yet received my new card. My wife has a FOID card so can I simply state that they are her guns?

Follow-up question: How are they accessing a house without a search warrant? Once inside the house, how are they opening a gun safe (assuming there is one)? They may have force (and maybe even a search warrant), but there is no way in hell they are getting access to my safe! Looks like I'm getting waterboarded.

Member **Founders Club** Joined: Dec 12, 2007 Posts: 4436

It sounds like the lady let them in. They don't need a search warrant if you invite them in. They are much like vampires. Invite them in and you are powerless.

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:12 pm

TylerH wrote:

It sounds like the lady let them in. They don't need a search warrant if you invite them in. They are much like vampires. Invite them in and you are powerless.

If'n your gun safe is locked, and the cops are inside your home, you still don't have to open the safe.

If they insist on it, and you still refuse, and they blast, or break it open, you've still told you refused; and you're lawyer can use that.

Never, ever, ever, let an on-duty cop in your house unless you called him because of some sort of emergency!!!! The cops are not your friends. It's their job to gather evidence against YOU!!!!!!

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:22 pm

Lakeman wrote:

Dorkweed wrote:

Police knocking on your door, doesn't mean you have to answer the door. Unless they yell out "search warrant" I'm not opening the door for any cop on duty.

We have a sliding window next to the door. I slide that open as I lock the door and talk thru the window. (cop or stranger) Usually w/firearm avail....

I've got a "No Trespassing" sign in my front lawn close to the drive. If the cops were insistent (keep knocking on the door) on talking to me, I'd open one of my living room sash windows, and tell the coppers this........"Unless you've got a search warrant, please direct you attention to the "no trespassing" sign in my front lawn!!!! I'm not talking to you, and unless you get off of my property now, I'm calling the Police on you saying that you are trespassing, police or not."

A cop knocks on your front door, it's 98% of the time consensual contact. Which means you are not obligated to answer anything.............that is if you answer the door.

NEVER, NEVER, EVER, EVER let an on-duty cop into your house unless he's got a warrant. He's on a fishing expedition, looking for anything he can ticket you for.

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:45 pm

+1 Dorkweed

Member **Founders Club** Joined: Dec 12, 2007 Posts: 4436

+1 I agree. I was merely saying that they didn't need a warrant because she invited them in.

I don't think generations of Americans died securing and defending my freedoms just so that I can throw them away the first minute someone with a badge walks up to my door.

*BTW - I am not a cop hater. My bro is a cop, and I myself thought about it as a career. There are great cops, and there are bad cops, just like in every profession. I don't know which type could be confronting me at any given time so I'll err on the side of caution.

Lieutenant Joined: Nov 12, 2009 Posts: 2429

Bobc wrote:

This is beginning to look like the camels nose under the tent. A trial balloon of sorts. Other cities, county's across the nation may be watching and very well could begin spelling the end of our ability to ensure freedom in America against governments both foreign and domestic.

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Corporal Joined: Mar 16, 2010 Posts: 525

Shaun - I hope you don't mind but there was a discussion at OpenCarry.org about police doing an "illegal search" at a shooting range somewhere near Chicago. I posted a link to this thread on their site and I'm doing the same with their posts as well.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?98378-Arrested-at-range-for-refusing-illegal-search-by-police

If anybody knows any more about this, such as the range involved, please let the rest of us know!

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:07 am

"sounds like they are using the excuse of expired cards to perform illegal searches of the premises!"

Exactly right. Registration --> confiscation.
I second (third? fourth?) the "don't let them in" advice.
When they have to break open your door to get inside it's lots harder for them to prove they had consent.
BTDT, lawsuit in progress.

From the ISP site:
"Law enforcement officials stressed the importance of collaboration, information and resource sharing to root out criminal activity in the community."
There's crime & then there's crime.
Having an expired unconstitutional permit to exercise a right is the first sort.
Arguably, having pot can be considered the second, at least until the laws are changed.
But a real example of the second, & what LEA/LEO should be working on, are murders, assaults, robberies, carjackings, rapes - you know, real crime that harms people.
Expired paperwork rarely harms anyone.

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:25 am

MKEgal, I think the term you're searching for is "victimless crime" ...
"There's victimless crime and then there's crime."

Victimless crime is speeding or possession of certain plant life. I believe that it is immoral to prosecute a person for victimless crimes. They amount to political crimes, activities that the current regime has outlawed because they presume to know what's best for us.

Crime is damaging another person's property or harming their person.

MKEgal wrote:

"sounds like they are using the excuse of expired cards to perform illegal searches of the premises!"

Exactly right. Registration --> confiscation.
I second (third? fourth?) the "don't let them in" advice.
When they have to break open your door to get inside it's lots harder for them to prove they had consent.
BTDT, lawsuit in progress.

From the ISP site:
"Law enforcement officials stressed the importance of collaboration, information and resource sharing to root out criminal activity in the community."
There's crime & then there's crime.
Having an expired unconstitutional permit to exercise a right is the first sort.
Arguably, having pot can be considered the second, at least until the laws are changed.
But a real example of the second, & what LEA/LEO should be working on, are murders, assaults, robberies, carjackings, rapes - you know, real crime that harms people.
Expired paperwork rarely harms anyone.

Member **Founders Club** Joined: Dec 12, 2007 Posts: 4436

Welcome back mkegal! I've been following you over at oc.org

Member **Founders Club** Joined: Dec 12, 2007 Posts: 4436

Also, if you have a few bucks to spare Mkegal could use a donation tomher legal fund.

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:10 am

Dumb question, but once your friends FOID is renewed, can he get his weapons back?