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Posted by ShaunKranish on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 @ 18:49:29 CST (7890 reads)






Click here for original article at WRN.com

Judge rules concealed carry ban unconstitutional

A Clark County judge says Wisconsin’s ban on carrying concealed weapons is unconstitutional. In the case, authorities charged a Sauk City man with carrying a concealed weapon, after he admitted he had a knife in his waistband. He never threatened anyone. In light of the landmark Supreme Court ruling in McDonald v. City of Chicago, attorney William Poss filed a motion to dismiss the case on constitutional grounds. Judge Jon Counsell obliged Wednesday, ruling the law is overly broad and violates both the Second and Fourteenth Amendments of the Constitution.

“The government has to have a compelling state interest to do so (restrict the right to carry) and they have to have the least restrictive means of doing that,” said Poss. “Public safety obviously is a state interest, but there’s all kinds of ways to do that in this regard.” In his decision, Counsell states the law forces citizens to “go unarmed (thus not able to act in self defense), violate the law or carry openly,” but notes displaying weapon’s openly isn’t a “realistic alternative.”

As of now, the decision only sets a precedent in Counsell’s court, but Poss expects the case will be appealed. “It’s ultimately going to get to either the Wisconsin Supreme Court and or the United States Supreme Court one way or another,” he predicted. The decision was disseminated around the state Wednesday, and Poss already had 50 congratulatory phone messages or e-mails from colleagues by Wednesday afternoon. “There’s a lot of interest in this obviously,” he said. “It’s not a left or right type of thing quite frankly. It’s a liberty thing.”

Clark County Assistant District Attorney Dick Lewis said he has 20 days to appeal the ruling, and no decision has been made. Wisconsin is one of only two states which completely ban carrying concealed weapons.


ICarry's notes: You can bet your last dollar that this is one of the final nails in the coffin of Wisconsin's draconian blanket ban on carrying a concealed firearm.  Gun control is dying out everywhere it seems - what a great year 2010 has been!!!  2011 should be even more fun!!!

Gosh it feels good to be right!!  Gun control laws punish otherwise non-criminal behavior of law-abiding citizens minding their own business and exercising their right to having the means to defend themselves.  They don't deter criminals, but rather encourage them.  They make everyone more vulnerable, putting everyone at greater risk.

Finally, things are changing rapidly thanks to the Supreme Court spelling out the term FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT for those didn't get it before.  Frankly, people who don't understand this concept have a lot of soul-searching to do.  A part of their brain is on "sleep mode" and needs to be started up.  They can't all be saved and understand inhere, unalienable human rights, but perhaps they will understand that wind has changed and gun control is a loser.  Perhaps they will finally give up and move onto other fronts of assaulting freedom - like banning light bulbs, trans fats, or taxing air.

Posted by ShaunKranish on Sunday, October 17, 2010 @ 03:47:48 CDT (10598 reads)


ICarry.org - Sept 20, 2010 Breaking News Release:  Lessons from Wisconsin's Last Incident of Police Harassment of Citizens Lawfully Carrying Firearms in the Open

On Saturday, September 18th, a group of five responsible firearms owners gathered to share company and conversation at Culvers on Town Blvd in Madison, Wisconsin.  Approximately eight Madison police officers approached the firearms owners who were enjoying food and discussion with one another.

Demanding identification of the gun owners, officers used intimidation and coercion in attempts to force the citizens to provide ID.  State law does not allow officers to demand ID in circumstances like this, and Madison PD’s very own “legal updates” explains exactly why refusing to provide ID is not “obstructing.”


Despite this well-known aspect of law, at least two of the law-abiding firearms owners were arrested and cited with “obstructing” charges for not providing ID.   All of the citizens were harassed in public, intimidated and coerced, and inconvenienced and humiliated by the disrespectful, diminishing, and suppressive behavior of Madison police officers.

ICarry.org would first like to thank Wisconsin Carry, Inc. for its steadfast resolve to protect citizens’ rights in Wisconsin.  ICarry.org is committed to supporting Wisconsin Carry, Inc. and all responsible firearms owners in the state.

The vast majority of officers are well-trained to respect the rights of citizens openly carrying firearms.  Over the past few years in Wisconsin, a great deal of education has been provided for police, and police throughout the state have been exhibiting exemplary performance.  There have been only a select few isolated incidents of failure of training or behavioral problems with police.

ICarry.org would like to see this incident be the last.  It’s time to accept and embrace the lawful practice of open carry.  There is no need to discriminate or profile against open carriers – they should be afforded the same level of dignity and respect as all other peaceful citizens.  Like police officers, they too carry a sidearm only for self-protection.

Posted by ShaunKranish on Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 20:49:03 CDT (8604 reads)


Article from WalworthCountyToday.com

By DARRYL ENRIQUEZ   Monday, Aug. 30, 2010



Shaun Kranish, executive director of the gun rights group iCarry.org, videotapes at an open-carry gathering Sunday at the Delavan Starbucks. Dan Plutchak/staff.

DELAVAN -- Several dozen open-carry advocates from throughout Wisconsin and Illinois gathered at the Starbucks here Sunday to socialize while openly carrying holstered handguns. They agree that weapons be carried on most any occasion.

“It’s like wearing a seat belt in a car,” said Shaun Kranish on the importance of being armed at all times.

The one exception that Kranish jokingly agreed to may be when snuggling with a loved one at night.

Besides that circumstance, people must be prepared to defend themselves and others against criminals who kill without remorse or conscience, Kranish said.

“I would hate the thought of someone opening fire on innocent people (near me), and I’m not armed,” he said.

Kranish is the executive director of ICarry.org, with members in Illinois and southern Wisconsin. He and several members traveled to the Delavan gathering from Rockford, Ill.

Advocates argue that the Constitution and legal rulings from courts and top state officials allow them to carry openly, as long as guns are holstered and in plain site and not concealed by clothing or other objects.

Nik Clark, chairman of Wisconsin Carry Inc., also was at the rally

Rallies to display firepower in public have become prevalent this summer, having occurred at Starbucks in Eau Claire, La Crosse, Racine, Kenosha and at a Culver’s restaurant in Beloit, said Paul Fisher of Sugar Creek Township, an event organizer.

The Delavan Starbucks manager, personally known by some attendees, said she was instructed by her boss to not comment on Sunday’s rally.

In March, Starbucks publicly stated it allowed open-carry guns in states where it is legal.

At any given moment, about 40 open-carry advocates were chatting on the outdoor patio that overlooks busy Highway 50 or inside the air-conditioned coffee shop.

Overall attendance was likely higher, though. Advocates from the area, as well as from Milwaukee, La Crosse, Sheboygan, Racine and Rockford, readily came and went throughout the warm afternoon.

“Frankly, I’m surprised at the number of people who are here,” Fisher said. “A year ago, I’m not sure we would have had this kind of turnout.”

No Delavan police were seen observing the event, although law enforcement agencies from throughout Walworth County were invited to attend, Fisher said

A picnic for area open-carry advocates might be the next event, Fisher said.

A discussion point at the local event was when was it inappropriate to open carry?

Wisconsin law says convicted felons cannot carry and open guns cannot be carried inside a government building or near a school. People cannot carry if they are intoxicated. Without permission, they cannot carry inside a place that serves alcohol. If a merchant does not want open carry in his or her establishment, the armed person must leave as immediately as he or she is able.

Besides the incidents spelled out by Wisconsin law, many attendees were hard pressed to set personal restrictions on their own open-carry practices.

Fisher said he thought church might be one example, but he quickly retracted that thought after remembering the slaughter that happened several years back at a church based in a meeting room of a suburban Milwaukee hotel.

“Everyone would assume you’d be safe in church, but you can never really tell,” Fisher said.

Heather Palenske carries a pink handgun, the same color as the van of her husband Mike’s business—Dam Road Gun Shop in Delavan.

The gun not only provides protection but also accessorizes her outfit. Palenske said pink is her favorite color.

She also could not think of an inappropriate time in which to carry her petite handgun, including weddings and funerals.

Posted by ShaunKranish on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 @ 11:16:04 CDT (16624 reads)


ICarry.org ICarryTV Interview with Nik Clark, Chairman of Wisconsin Carry, Inc. ICarry.org Executive Director Shaun Kranish interviews Nik at an open carry get together in Delavan, Wisconsin at Starbucks.

Congratulations to all Wisconsin gun owners, Wisconsin Carry, Inc. and ICarry.org for the incredible progress that has been made in Wisconsin through the open carry movement.  New people are open carrying on a daily basis in Wisconsin, and the weekly events that are springing up all over the state are bringing in new faces all the time.  Take some notes, Illinois, THIS IS HOW TO DO IT!!!

Posted by ShaunKranish on Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 11:35:47 CDT (12364 reads)


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Posted by ShaunKranish on Friday, May 14, 2010 @ 10:33:11 CDT (5125 reads)


Armed and ready to shop

Mark Mardell | 01:27 UK time, Thursday, 11 March 2010

Elm Grove, near Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Other customers stare as Nik Clark and Kim Garny do their weekly shop at a large upscale supermarket. It's hardy a surprise as a TV camera is trailing behind their trolley. But people would do a double-take even if the BBC weren't in tow. In some ways Nick wants them to look.

There's a revolver amid the ravioli, an automatic among the avocados.

Like cowboys out of Westerns, the couple carry handguns on holsters on their hips. She has a Smith and Wesson .38 special with a cute pink grip that makes it look almost like a toy. He has a rather more chunky Glock.

KIm Garny 's Smith and Wesson .38Wisconsin Open Carry. Groups like this have been springing up all over the States in the last year and they've been making an impact in the last week or so, getting Starbucks in California to agree people should be allowed into their coffee shops carrying guns. The groups are made up of people who want to make a point about the Second Amendment right in the Constitution to bear arms, by bearing them openly. Some want to make a point and test whether or not private firms like shops and restaurants recognise that right.

The movement is slightly different in the state of Wisconsin where concealed guns are banned. Nick says wearing a gun in a visible holster is the only way he can carry a weapon legally and he wants others to be aware of their rights: he doesn't want to confront but to convert.

"You have a right to self defence and open carry is a great deterrent. It's about personal protection," he says.

He's a beefy guy, with bulging muscles, so I ask: Isn't he rather intimidating when he's armed as well?

"I've been open carrying for about a year and most people don't notice, or some might make a comment. It's a demonstration I am a law-abiding citizen, you have nothing to hide. Criminals never open carry."

He says that his group respects property rights and if a shop doesn't want their custom and they are asked to leave they are happy to do so: they don't want to patronise that business. But he says most big companies know the law and have a policy that allows them to shop armed.

Kim says for her it is all about self protection: "I can guarantee if I am going to my car late at night and someone sees me carrying a gun they won't make me a victim."

Nik Clark and Kim Garny shopping

But Nick says he is also making a point: "I want people to see me and have a level of comfort, to know that if they are out walking their dog it is OK to carry a gun, if they are walking to their car after work it is legal to carry a firearm."

When Obama was elected many gun enthusiasts expected the tightening of laws. Many of those in favour of controls expected Obama to increase regulation. As a senator he had always been in favour of restrictions on guns. But it seems thing are rather going the other way.

Last year a ban on carrying concealed weapons in national parks was lifted. In Virginia politicians are likely to change the law and allow people to buy more than one hand gun a month.

The supreme court is pondering whether to declare the 28-year ban on handguns in Chicago unconstitutional. They will take months before coming to a decision but observers who've watched the case carefully believe they will rule against the ban, with huge implications all around the states.

In Wisconsin, Open Carry is taking legal action against the rule that bans handguns within a quarter of a mile of schools. The supreme court judgement could have a bearing on that.

Still, when I meet around 30 people from Wisconsin Open Carry over lunch at a big restaurant there is a feeling that their rights need protecting. There are grandparents and mums and little children, and all the adults are armed.

Most tell me that this is mainly about protection but what they refer to as civil rights comes a close second. A couple of people tell me it is the other way around: the politics comes first. One man, whose name I don't catch, says he doesn't feel very threatened in suburban Wisconsin but it is about resisting the encroachment of the last two administrations, it's about not giving in to big government.

Matt Slavic, sitting next to his little granddaughter, observes that outside the United Nations is a sculpture of a gun, its barrel twisted in a knot. "The Second Amendment gives teeth to the rest of the constitution, it keeps tyranny at bay. I do feel it is under threat, not just from within the USA but from the UN - their small arms treaty would restrict hand gun ownership in the United States."

Several people tell me the Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, underpins the first, freedom of speech. One of those eating with a gun at their side, John Laimon, goes further: "It's not about guns, it's about civil rights. It's growing because of the plain fear about inadequate politicians. They cut down guns but they've got bodyguards. Our rights are under fire."

If you're in the UK, you can see more in my report on BBC News at Ten on Thursday evening.

Posted by ShaunKranish on Thursday, March 11, 2010 @ 17:27:32 CST (7127 reads)


On September 9th, 2009 Wisconsin Carry member Frank Hannan-Rock of Racine was
unlawfully arrested while open-carrying on the front porch of his home in


On January 8th Wisconsin Carry filed a federal lawsuit against the State of
Wisconsin, City of Racine, 2 Racine Police officers, The City of Milwaukee and
one Milwaukee Police Officer. In this lawsuit we challenge the constitutionality
of Wisconsin's Gun-Free-School-Zone Act. In this lawsuit we also brought on 2
Wisconsin Carry Members as co-plaintiffs. Frank Hannan-Rock of Racine was one of
these co-plaintiffs.

A copy of the lawsuit can be viewed here:


Frank was lawfully open-carrying on his own porch when Racine Police, who were
summoned to his neighborhood on an unrelated call, observed and questioned Frank
because he was open-carrying. After a few minutes of increasingly aggressive
questioning Frank exercised his right to remain silent and was subsequently
unlawfully arrested for obstruction of justice for refusing to give his name. In
the state of Wisconsin no law allows officers to arrest for obstruction on a
person's refusal to give his or her name. "Mere silence is insufficient to
constitute obstruction. Henes v. Morrissey, 194 Wis. 2d 339, 533 N.W.2d 802

Details of Frank's encounter can be viewed by going to our website
http://www.wisconsincarry.org and clicking on the October 16th blog entry.

Frank was unlawfully arrested and his firearm illegally siezed. He was later
released without being charged.

Wisconsin Carry filed suit on Frank's behalf for his unlawful detainment,
arrest, and seizure of his firearm.

On behalf of myself, the board of Wisconsin Carry Inc. and all of our members,
we are pleased to announce that The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District
of Wisconsin has entered a judgment in the amount of $10,000 in favor of
Wisconsin Carry, Inc. and Frank Hannon-Rock and against the City of Racine and
two Racine police officers.

We look forward to the precedent that this case will set for other
municipalities who's police officers operate outside of their legal authority
and unlawfully detain, arrest, and seize property of law-abiding open-carriers.

A copy of this judgement can be viewed here:


If you haven't already done so, please consider joining Wisconsin Carry today and help us advance and protect the right of Wisconsin residents to keep and bear arms!


online membership application:



Posted by ShaunKranish on Sunday, March 07, 2010 @ 18:55:11 CST (2654 reads)

WisconsinChadSpark writes:  

Link to original article

The Senate unanimously passed a bill Tuesday mandating mental health information be included in background checks for firearm purchases in Wisconsin.

The bill would bring Wisconsin into compliance with current federal law concerning handgun sales, as well as put Wisconsin in the company of many other states that have worked to monitor mental health histories and gun purchases in the wake of the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007.

The federal Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 requires all potential handgun buyers to undergo background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The NICS keeps track of individuals who are ineligible to buy firearms due to certain provisions, including past conviction of a crime, illegal alien status and previous involuntary commitment to a mental institution.

Wisconsin law does not require background checks through the NICS. Wisconsin handgun vendors must perform a criminal background check through the state Department of Justice that does not necessarily include information on court-ordered mental health treatment or involuntary commitment.

Some law enforcement groups see the passage of the bill as a positive step toward better gun control.

“Why would you want someone with a major mental deficiency to be in possession of a gun, who is not capable of making an intelligent decision with that firearm?” said Mike Buetow, vice president of the Milwaukee Police Association. “When you’re dealing with people who may be on or off a certain medication and have a gun, it makes it a bigger challenge for police officers.”

Others see the bill as furthering the stigma that mental illness and violence go hand in hand.

“A lot of people with mental illness have concerns about this kind of bill because it does seem to perpetuate that equivalence of mental illness with violence, which at the basic level isn’t there to the degree the public thinks it is,” said Shel Gross, director of public policy at Mental Health America in Wisconsin.

The bill would require courts to give information on court-ordered treatment or involuntary commitment that would make an individual ineligible to purchase handguns to the Department of Justice, only to be used during handgun purchase background checks.

Provisions for mental ineligibility include insanity pleas in criminal cases, persons found not guilty due to lack of mental responsibility and commitment for reasons such as substance abuse.

“There are a lot of things that could be done to make campuses safer, to keep dangerous people from running around with guns, but this was done more out of fear than out of any sound public policy basis,” said Buster Bachhuber, spokesperson for the Wisconsin chapter of the National Rifle Association.

Some groups also see the bill as an opportunity to protect the mentally ill from themselves. Gross said people with mental illness are more likely to kill themselves than those who are mentally sound.

“Mental illness is a risk factor for suicide, and getting weapons out the hands of these people can be quite beneficial to themselves, even if the risk of violence to others in the community isn’t necessarily elevated,” Gross said.

Posted by ShaunKranish on Friday, March 05, 2010 @ 12:43:38 CST (2751 reads)



Police were present at a Door County high school on Tuesday where someone [unofficially!!]  fired gunshots at the main entrance before students arrived.

Door County sheriff's deputies said they arrested an 18-year-old man suspected of firing the shots that [unofficially!!] broke two windows at Sevastopol High School in Sturgeon Bay.School district officials say the shooting [unofficially!!] happened about 3:30 a.m. and was apparently done by a person who doesn't attend the school.The administrators said students aren't in any danger.

[emphasis unofficially added by ICarry!!]

While this appears to be a real news story, we are marking it unofficial.  There must be some mistake.  The story says this happened at a school.  Yet every school in Wisconsin is a "gun free zone" so this just can't be.  Criminals would never dare misuse a gun in a gun free zone.  It's unheard of!!!  Satirically speaking of course.

Posted by ShaunKranish on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 @ 17:51:57 CST (2747 reads)

WisconsinChadSpark writes:  

Article from WJFW TV-12

RHINELANDER - The Wisconsin State Senate passes a bill Tuesday that would allow hunters to carry uncased firearms.

The bill, which is backed by Senate Majority Leader Russ Decker, would make it legal to carry an uncased, unloaded gun 26 inches long or longer in your car.

It would also make it legal to carry an unloaded bow or crossbow outside of a case.

Mitch Mode is the owner of Mel's Trading Post in Rhinelander.

He's also a hunter.

Mode says this bill would make hunting a little more convenient, but he says he wouldn't benefit from it too much, saying, "When I trasnport a firearm, it's more protected in the case from getting banged around, certainly from getting dirt in the muzzle, in the bore of the gun. If it's passed, I don't think it'll change mine a lot, I'll probably be more inclined to have an unzipped case, but I'll still put it in the case, because it's going to protect the gun."

Mode says the biggest concern about this bill would probably come from law enforcement.

He says uncased weapons could potentially become a danger for field wardens.

Under the current law a firearm must be stored in a closed case, while inside of a vehicle.

The National Rifle Association and other gun rights groups support the change, saying it's a step in the right direction on easing gun control.

The bill will now go to the State Assembly for a vote.

Posted by ShaunKranish on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 @ 17:01:40 CST (4673 reads)

WisconsinChadSpark writes:  


Gun laws seem to be a hot topic right now across Wisconsin. Over the weekend, gun proponents held a demonstration in Sussex, alleging police harassed someone openly carrying a gun inside a restaurant that doesn’t prohibit firearms. Also, the state Senate Tuesday will take up a bill that would allow hunters to carry uncased guns that are not loaded, in their vehicles. WUWM’s LaToya Dennis has more.

Under current Wisconsin law, guns have to be unloaded and in a case before legally being transported in a vehicle. But, if Democratic Senator Russ Decker has anything to do with it, that law will soon change. Decker introduced the bill that members of the Senate are taking up.

“What Senate Bill 222 does is, it allows guns to be uncased that are unloaded, during the times that you have a valid hunting license. It could be a half hour before the season starts, or a half hour after the season,” Decker says.

Decker says the reason for the proposed change is pretty straightforward.

“Many times a hunter will get out to his friends’ vehicle and the doors will be locked or his case will be in a different vehicle, so then they’re in a quandary, what they’re gonna do,” Decker says.

Decker says the way he sees it, it only makes sense to ease the law for hunters. Republican Senator Randy Hopper agrees.

“It is a common sense piece of legislation that really deals with a hunter’s ability to either keep his gun in or out of the case when they’re already out in the field hunting,” Hopper says.

However, Hopper says he understands how even the smallest change when it comes to gun laws, might make some uncomfortable. But he says people really shouldn’t worry.

“It’s really important to understand that this bill doesn’t change a single thing about who can and can’t get a firearm. It doesn’t change concealed carry, outside of the hunting area. You still can’t carry a gun into a school, into a grocery store. You still can’t go into a hospital or anything like that. Bill 222 does not apply to handguns. It specifically must be 26 inches in length,” Hopper says.

But some open carry advocates would like to see handguns included in this legislation. Nik Clark is President of Wisconsin Carry Incorporated.

“I open carry every where I go that it’s legal to do so. So when I go to the grocery store, when I go to the doctor’s office, when I go to the hardware store I always carry. Every time I get to a parking lot, I have to stop pull the gun case out of the car, take the gun out, load the gun while I’m standing in the parking lot and then put it in my holster. So that’s a lot of extra handling of the gun,” Clark says.

Lawmakers say they expect the measure to pass in the Senate and head to the Assembly. Also Monday, gun advocates across the country participated in National Gun Control Protest Day. Wisconsin Capitol Police were on the lookout for anyone carrying firearms because they are not allowed in the building.

Posted by ShaunKranish on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 @ 09:07:24 CST (1338 reads)


Gun-toting demonstrators gather in Sussex
By Erin Richards of the Journal Sentinel
Posted: Feb. 21, 2010 |(156) Comments
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Open carry gun law rally

Sussex — Clutching cups of coffee and chatting in loose groups, the people outside Starbucks on Sunday didn't look particularly unusual, save for the holstered guns strapped to nearly everyone's hip or thigh.

The display of Smith & Wessons, Glocks and Kel-Tec pistols among lattes and coffeecake was part of an organized rally to spread awareness about Wisconsin's open carry law as well as the recent treatment of a Sussex gun carrier by local law enforcement. Participants later drove to the Wisconsin State Patrol District Headquarters in Waukesha and demonstrated on the front lawn.

The turnout - about 40 people from various parts of Wisconsin and Illinois - may indicate growing support for the expansion of gun rights in the state, and in particular, legislation that could make it possible for people to carry concealed weapons.

State law allows adults to openly carry guns, but not in businesses that ask them not to, places that serve alcohol, and not in school zones or public buildings. Last spring, Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen re-affirmed in a brief the right of Wisconsin's residents to bear arms openly, saying that those who do so should not be subject to disorderly conduct tickets from local law enforcement.

"That was the floodgate," said New Berlin resident Nik Clark, who organized the rally Sunday and is the president of Wisconsin Carry Inc., a new statewide organization pushing for expanded gun rights. "It verified what people already knew, but some people were still afraid to carry their guns openly until that opinion came out."

Clark said Sunday's gathering was prompted by what members perceived as improper law enforcement action against Sussex resident Joseph Schneider.

Earlier this month, a Wisconsin State Patrol officer approached Schneider at China Wok in Sussex and asked him to take his gun out of the business. Schneider, who said he has openly carried his gun many times at the China Wok in Sussex without a problem, videotaped the encounter and then left the restaurant.

The video clip shows the officer first asking the restaurant owners if they allowed guns in the restaurant. After appearing confused, the employees said no, they did not allow guns.

Later that day, Schneider was questioned by Waukesha County Sherriff's Department deputies on suspicion that he might have been impersonating a police officer.

The State Patrol District Headquarters in Waukesha was closed Sunday and no representative could be reached for comment. As for the Waukesha County Sheriff's Department, Public Information Officer Steve Pederson said that the sheriff's deputies acted appropriately, and that their questioning had nothing to do with Schneider openly carrying a gun.

"We have gotten reports from other areas about people impersonating police officers," Pederson said, adding that some of the equipment seen in or on Schneider's car, such as a radar gun and police scanner and antennas, led them to follow up on the lead.

Pederson said that Schneider was cooperative, and that the officers did not find evidence to support that Schneider was impersonating law enforcement.

News of Schneider's story spread on the Internet and through online social networks, prompting gun rights advocates to believe Schneider was unfairly treated.

"We all believe we should be allowed to defend ourselves," said Krysta Sutterfield, a Milwaukee resident who recently bought a 9mm Kel-Tec pistol that she carries openly. "If people see a gun, they automatically think criminal. But criminals don't wear their guns in holsters."

Shaun Kranish, a rally participant from Rockford, Ill., said support for a concealed carry law is growing in Wisconsin. Twice, Gov. Jim Doyle has vetoed legislation that would make that possible.

"Almost every state has moved toward fewer restrictions on guns, except Wisconsin and Illinois," said Kranish, who started the Web site www.ICarry.org to build support for concealed carry laws in both states.

The difference between open carry and concealed carry, beyond the visibility aspect, is that just about any adult may openly carry a gun, while those who carry concealed weapons generally must purchase a permit and be trained in how to use the firearm.

Gun rights advocates generally support concealed carry because they think it makes it harder for criminals to know who is armed and who isn't, Kranish said. That fear and uncertainty, he added, can help reduce criminal activity.

Those opposed to expanding gun rights generally think the move can lead to more guns being displayed prematurely, more accidents and more violence.

Posted by ShaunKranish on Monday, February 22, 2010 @ 17:12:30 CST (2469 reads)


See the original encounter of a rude and out-of-line state trooper below.  There is no need to treat responsible firearms owners like this simply because they exercise their right to carry.  We're here to stay.  We're not going, we're growing!!!

And here is our response!!!

Below is raw video clips from our open carry solidarity and awareness gathering 02-21-10 in Sussex and Waukesha, Wisconsin.

The owners and operators of China Wok were so happy and excited to have us in their restaurant.  On a dreary, slow Sunday, we packed the place and all ordered meals.  We had fun, socialized, laughed and smiled with the shop owners, and got free ice cream!!!

One of the open carriers got the wise message, "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst" in his fortune cookie.  How fitting!


Posted by ShaunKranish on Sunday, February 21, 2010 @ 23:11:11 CST (1490 reads)

WisconsinMKEgal writes:  

Here's the FB evite: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?invites&eid=309316339646

We will be starting at Starbucks at 12:30 PM on Sunday, get something warm to drink,
then head down to the State Patrol office in Waukesha at 1PM. After that, we will head
to China Wok for dinner.

N65W24950 Main Street
Sussex, WI 53089

State Patrol
21115 East Moreland Boulevard
Waukesha, WI 53186-2985

China Wok
N65W24838 Main St.
Sussex, WI 53089

Here's what started it all... 

In short, someone was eating lunch as he had many times before.  A state
trooper didn't like him carrying, repeatedly asked the staff of the restaurant
if they allowed guns, when the gal finally said no the trooper told the citizen
he had to leave.  (It's possible she didn't understand what he was asking,
as English appears not to be her native language.)

Also claimed that his car looked like a cop car, so he was "impersonating
an officer".  Called the county sheriff's office, & 3 deputies showed up at
his house after 10pm that night to discuss it.  (Saw no merit in the accu-
sation & went away, but still it was harassment by the state officer.)

Oddly, the trooper didn't file any report on the incident, and did not himself
(& his 2 trooper pals) leave the restaurant or at least leave their guns in
their cars.

Even if the trooper wanted to claim trespass, HE wasn't allowed to start the
complaint - the staff would have had to tell the OC to leave before the police 
could have gotten involved.

Posted by ShaunKranish on Saturday, February 20, 2010 @ 21:19:35 CST (2114 reads)

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